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		<title>By: contoveros</title>
		<link>http://earlytibet.com/2009/12/23/what-are-those-monks-doing/#comment-1473</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nora,

Kinda like a &quot;Fire Rescue Bu?&quot;

michael j]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nora,</p>
<p>Kinda like a &#8220;Fire Rescue Bu?&#8221;</p>
<p>michael j</p>
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		<title>By: earlytibet</title>
		<link>http://earlytibet.com/2009/12/23/what-are-those-monks-doing/#comment-1471</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A game - intriguing! No, I hadn&#039;t considered it. Along with your reference to The Cup, there&#039;s an article on stone-throwing games in Tibet here:

http://www.tibetreisen.com/Article/ShowArticle.asp?ArticleID=1882

Also, Dan wrote about Tibetan games a while ago, here:

http://tibeto-logic.blogspot.com/2008/05/tibetan-olympics-of-1695-nine-mens.html

He quotes Desideri from the early 18th century, who mentions a Tibetan stone-throwing game &quot;like quoits&quot;. I wonder if he has any references that go back earlier than this...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A game &#8211; intriguing! No, I hadn&#8217;t considered it. Along with your reference to The Cup, there&#8217;s an article on stone-throwing games in Tibet here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tibetreisen.com/Article/ShowArticle.asp?ArticleID=1882" rel="nofollow">http://www.tibetreisen.com/Article/ShowArticle.asp?ArticleID=1882</a></p>
<p>Also, Dan wrote about Tibetan games a while ago, here:</p>
<p><a href="http://tibeto-logic.blogspot.com/2008/05/tibetan-olympics-of-1695-nine-mens.html" rel="nofollow">http://tibeto-logic.blogspot.com/2008/05/tibetan-olympics-of-1695-nine-mens.html</a></p>
<p>He quotes Desideri from the early 18th century, who mentions a Tibetan stone-throwing game &#8220;like quoits&#8221;. I wonder if he has any references that go back earlier than this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nora</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re &quot;What are those monks doing?&quot;... Did it occur to you that they were playing a game? 

In Khyentse Norbu&#039;s movie The Cup, in the scene where they are waiting outside the abbot&#039;s room for an answer, the two young monks do something similar.

I had vague memories of hearing about a Tibetan game where you throw a rock and try to dislodge the other person&#039;s rock. 

And a PS regarding Michael J&#039;s question about blasphemy: the Bodhisattva vow of Mahayana Buddhism is to stay in samsara until everybody achieves Buddhahood, maybe like a fireman making sure that everyone gets out of the burning building. Because we&#039;re &quot;all in the same boat,&quot; to mix metaphors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re &#8220;What are those monks doing?&#8221;&#8230; Did it occur to you that they were playing a game? </p>
<p>In Khyentse Norbu&#8217;s movie The Cup, in the scene where they are waiting outside the abbot&#8217;s room for an answer, the two young monks do something similar.</p>
<p>I had vague memories of hearing about a Tibetan game where you throw a rock and try to dislodge the other person&#8217;s rock. </p>
<p>And a PS regarding Michael J&#8217;s question about blasphemy: the Bodhisattva vow of Mahayana Buddhism is to stay in samsara until everybody achieves Buddhahood, maybe like a fireman making sure that everyone gets out of the burning building. Because we&#8217;re &#8220;all in the same boat,&#8221; to mix metaphors.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://earlytibet.com/2009/12/23/what-are-those-monks-doing/#comment-1446</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear S.,

I think you&#039;ve just answered the question I was wondering about...  With a question.  Of course, with a question!  Happy New Year for you and for the whole wide world!  Here&#039;s hoping everything looks clearer to us, and twenty ten won&#039;t turn out to be just a prescription from the optometrist.  The future is full of uncontrolled variables, which under some circumstances would be taken as reason enough for hope, don&#039;t you think?  Will you allow me to express even more hope?  OK.  Here&#039;s hoping more Tibetanists will join the community of bloggers and take things up a notch!  What&#039;s your New Year&#039;s resolution?

Yours,
D.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear S.,</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ve just answered the question I was wondering about&#8230;  With a question.  Of course, with a question!  Happy New Year for you and for the whole wide world!  Here&#8217;s hoping everything looks clearer to us, and twenty ten won&#8217;t turn out to be just a prescription from the optometrist.  The future is full of uncontrolled variables, which under some circumstances would be taken as reason enough for hope, don&#8217;t you think?  Will you allow me to express even more hope?  OK.  Here&#8217;s hoping more Tibetanists will join the community of bloggers and take things up a notch!  What&#8217;s your New Year&#8217;s resolution?</p>
<p>Yours,<br />
D.</p>
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		<title>By: earlytibet</title>
		<link>http://earlytibet.com/2009/12/23/what-are-those-monks-doing/#comment-1445</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Dan,

Don&#039;t you think a lot of academic writing comes out of being puzzled to begin with? Then when we&#039;ve come to some kind of conclusion, the puzzlement is reframed or entirely edited out of the picture. So is it just that puzzlement is more apparent in a blog? Or is it more about style - a tendency specific to blogs to put things in the form of questions rather than assertions?

S.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dan,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think a lot of academic writing comes out of being puzzled to begin with? Then when we&#8217;ve come to some kind of conclusion, the puzzlement is reframed or entirely edited out of the picture. So is it just that puzzlement is more apparent in a blog? Or is it more about style &#8211; a tendency specific to blogs to put things in the form of questions rather than assertions?</p>
<p>S.</p>
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		<title>By: earlytibet</title>
		<link>http://earlytibet.com/2009/12/23/what-are-those-monks-doing/#comment-1444</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Michael J,

I think the main point here is the &quot;single vehicle&quot; or &lt;i&gt;ekayāna&lt;/i&gt; movement which is expressed in some Mahāyāna sūtras, including this one. That is, whatever Buddhist path you happen to be following, you will reach the same result in the end -- Buddhahood. The converse idea, that the paths of the śrāvakas and prateyakabuddhas (followers of the the &quot;Hinayāna) will only attain a lower result, also existed. I guess that the stone-throwers in this story held this latter view.

S.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Michael J,</p>
<p>I think the main point here is the &#8220;single vehicle&#8221; or <i>ekayāna</i> movement which is expressed in some Mahāyāna sūtras, including this one. That is, whatever Buddhist path you happen to be following, you will reach the same result in the end &#8212; Buddhahood. The converse idea, that the paths of the śrāvakas and prateyakabuddhas (followers of the the &#8220;Hinayāna) will only attain a lower result, also existed. I guess that the stone-throwers in this story held this latter view.</p>
<p>S.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://earlytibet.com/2009/12/23/what-are-those-monks-doing/#comment-1443</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I understand that in the very act of blogging things became much clearer to you (and then to us) than they were to begin with.  Does blogging have some magic to bring answers to things that trouble or puzzle us?  How did that work?  I&#039;d like to try some of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I understand that in the very act of blogging things became much clearer to you (and then to us) than they were to begin with.  Does blogging have some magic to bring answers to things that trouble or puzzle us?  How did that work?  I&#8217;d like to try some of it.</p>
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		<title>By: contoveros</title>
		<link>http://earlytibet.com/2009/12/23/what-are-those-monks-doing/#comment-1441</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Being a simple beginner on this path, I&#039;d like to ask you about this tale. Who is saying that all will attain Buddahood?

And is that kinda like a blasphemy?

Or, can it be a way of relating to all, that is, for me to feel humble and to &quot;bow&quot; to all other sentient beings because of the . . . I don&#039;t know, &quot;knowledge&quot; that all have the budding Buddha within?

Just a thought from

michael j

Conshohocken, PA USA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a simple beginner on this path, I&#8217;d like to ask you about this tale. Who is saying that all will attain Buddahood?</p>
<p>And is that kinda like a blasphemy?</p>
<p>Or, can it be a way of relating to all, that is, for me to feel humble and to &#8220;bow&#8221; to all other sentient beings because of the . . . I don&#8217;t know, &#8220;knowledge&#8221; that all have the budding Buddha within?</p>
<p>Just a thought from</p>
<p>michael j</p>
<p>Conshohocken, PA USA</p>
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